Lexie ([info]polyhymnia) wrote,
@ 2007-11-12 08:16:00
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Entry tags:bad business, caltrain

How much more time does it take to just answer the question?
As a follow-up to my previous post(s) about Caltrain, I've just had probably my second-worst customer service experience with them, after the obnoxious letter I received last year about bikes on Caltrain. And it's only better because they haven't managed to indirectly insult me yet.

Sometime in July, I submitted an inquiry about the removal of the bike rack at the north end of the southbound platform in Menlo Park using their web form: namely, will it be replaced, if so, when, and why was it removed? It took quite a while for me to get a response at all, and when I did, the response named the wrong station and did not address either of the other issues. I wrote back to ask if in fact there was a bike rack in the works for the station I inquired about and was told that there was and the original response had been a typo and yes, there was a bike rack in the works at Menlo Park.

In September, not having seen any bike rack in evidence, I wrote to ask about when the rack might appear. I should observe that the email responses do come with a note that for new and unrelated inquiries, you should re-file with the web system, and that email inquiries may not get an immediate response. But this wasn't unrelated and I didn't expect an immediate response; also, I had received a previous response. I just don't think it should take six weeks to install a bike rack that was originally removed to make car parking nicer, and I wanted to know when the rack would be installed. I also don't think it should take four months to install it, as it has at this point.

I wrote several times and got no response. Two days ago, a month after my last request, I got a longish response informing me that I should file a new inquiry because that was somehow the correct thing to do, and I should not write to the person because I wouldn't get a response. Except that I did just get a response telling me I couldn't get a response.

I would presume that the person is question is busy, but it takes a fair bit of time to write such a response. Why not just answer my question? Surely it isn't that hard to contact whatever the appropriate department is, ask the question, get an answer, and write it in a very short email. Unless, perhaps, there is no such bike rack. With no concrete objective to hold them to, I have no way of knowing that they're not lying to me. Alternatively, the person in question is essentially being deliberately lazy, obnoxious, and unhelpful.

I responded again to point out that it would have been easier to just answer my question, and got, get this, yet ANOTHER letter saying the exact same thing in different words, still not answering my question. This kind of behavior would have been not only unacceptable, but virtually unthinkable, when I worked in a customer service job. You answered the question, or you called someone who could, or helped the person find someone who could. Regardless of whether it was your problem or your customer or related to your area or not. You certainly did not repeatedly tell someone (at length!) "Sorry, I can't help you" unless you actually couldn't because they were asking for something that was impossible to provide. Clearly I'm not asking for something that's impossible to provide, because if I refile, the request will go to someone with the exactly equivalent job description to this person's.

If I thought this was a problem with the particular person I'm interacting with, I would certainly be happy to 'name and shame', but it's clearly an institutional problem and that attitude must be either tacitly or actively encouraged, because it runs through every single response I've ever received, even the ones that nominally address the question I wrote to them about.

If there were a contest for "how unhelpful can we be by pretending to be helpful", or "most politely hostile customer service reps", Caltrain customer service would definitely win the platinum trophy.

I'll have to see if I can get better responses by calling (it's harder to stall someone who can say immediately 'Excuse me, I think you're not really addressing my question'), or else if it's to do with bikes on Caltrain, I'm going to start going directly to the SVBC (now including the PBPC), because otherwise I'm clearly getting nowhere.

And I certainly no longer have any presumption of good faith on Caltrain's part. Individuals within Caltrain, maybe. Caltrain as a whole? No.




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[info]medryn
2007-11-12 04:33 pm UTC (link)
Eventually you will be forced to admit that you live in Menlo Park (not San Francisco) and buy a car :-)

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[info]polyhymnia
2007-11-12 05:43 pm UTC (link)
You may have gone over to the Dark Side, but I have no plans to join you. :-)

Plus, your car ownership experience, at least, has done nothing to convince me that cars are less hassle than public transit -- certainly not enough less so to justify the expense.

And I have to say, as much as I dislike Caltrain, at least they do usually answer the queries. I got nothing from BART when I wrote them. Good customer service is pretty thin on the ground in all industries.

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[info]medryn
2007-11-12 08:55 pm UTC (link)
Hmm, my car costs about 20-25 cents per mile when all factors are included, which is significantly less than the national average of 45-50 cents per mile. By my calculations, you purchase a monthly 1-zone Caltrain pass for $60, and ride for 11*2*20=440 miles each month, which is 14 cents per mile. Cheaper, certainly, but within a factor of 2.

Plus, you have a connection on both ends that needs to either be done by foot or by bike. This means that you have to consume extra calories. A good estimation is that it takes 100 calories per mile to walk. I'm going to assume that you wind up walking 1 mile each way when you commute. So that's 2*20*100 = 4000 extra calories each month. Since you eat healthy food, I suspect that you often spend more than $.01/calorie. That's an extra $40 each month!

So now your walking+caltrain commute costs the same as driving a 10 year old compact car. This is the amazing thing about transportation in America. People are actually rational! They choose driving because it fits their needs and competes well with other options on price. Even though cars should be more expensive than other transportation options, so many of the costs are subsidized by society that they are actually cheaper, or about the same price.

This is a good place to give a shout-out to "The high price of free parking." The most expensive part of driving is actually parking, because as a society we have to devote so much of our land—which could be put to other productive uses—to parking lots. However, we then take this huge expensive and make everybody pay for it regardless of whether they actually utilize the parking spaces. If you've ever shopped at a grocery store that has free parking spaces but you didn't drive there, you are subsidizing other people's driving.

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[info]polyhymnia
2007-11-12 09:23 pm UTC (link)
You're assuming that I could approach your car operating cost, but you pay Texas gas prices and Texas insurance/registration costs. Both costs are significantly higher here.

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[info]medryn
2007-11-12 09:46 pm UTC (link)
If you're interested in the breakdown, for my last 36785 miles I've spent:

Gas: $2,682.96 (7.3 cents/mile)
Insurance: $2,331.50 (6.3 cents/mile)
Repairs: $6,854.66 (18.6 cents/mile)
Registration: $225.20 (.6 cents/mile)

I also assume 10 cents/mile of depreciation, since I bought my car for $5000 and I don't expect it to last more than 100k miles after the time of purchase.

So that's a total of... 42.8 cents/mile. Yikes! My numbers were a lot better the last time I tabulated this. This probably has something to do with the fact that $5706 of my repairs occurred in the last two years. If only I'd known in February of 2006 to sell my car instead of gradually sinking more money into it :-)

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[info]polyhymnia
2007-11-27 09:44 pm UTC (link)
That seems to be one of the big problems that people I know have with cars. They look up and suddenly realize that their car has become a money sink due to repairs. And to avoid this you have to have bought either a very reliable used car or reliable new car (and not tried to drive them for too long), both of which are much more expensive initially.

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[info]polyhymnia
2007-11-12 09:32 pm UTC (link)
Also, assuming I eat roughly 2000 calories a day (which should be roughly correct for an active female of my size and age), I consume about 60000 in a month. I only pay about $200 (20000 cents) for food per month (it's actually less than that usually, but I'm generously factoring in some restaurant meals at which I pay non-food costs as well), which means I spend about a third of a cent per calorie. Therefore your second calculation is too high: you only get to add $13.33 to the calculation at most.

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[info]wang1961
2007-11-13 01:42 am UTC (link)
That's a shame about Caltrain. So much unrealized potential.

I have a different feeling about Houston METRO. They basically want to serve the public. Outreach has been very good, much different from prior administration. They don't know jack shit about bikes, but the want to learn, and they're going to learn. I'm going to teach them. I'm talking to the METRO Board of Directors on Thursday.

I think by 2012 we may have a fleet of light rail cars on multiple lines all set up for bikes.

And you will have played a role in it!

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[info]polyhymnia
2007-11-13 02:57 am UTC (link)
Which reminds me...I was supposed to send you pics! Are you still interested?

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[info]wang1961
2007-11-13 03:06 am UTC (link)
I got my own pics from flickr, thanks

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[info]polyhymnia
2007-11-13 03:49 am UTC (link)
Sorry I flaked on that. :( Work has been crazy.

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[info]wang1961
2007-11-13 04:35 am UTC (link)
have a peek

http://docs.google.com/Doc?id=dgdvhhb3_58grpcsx

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